Kreditkartendiebe - Support bei Kreditkarten Missbrauch
 

 
 

What´s the purpose of this site ?
www.kreditkartendiebe.de is here to support you, being in a similar situatuion as I was back in 2001:

* Cash has been withdrawn with your credit card and PIN even though you hadn´t noted your PIN anywhere.

* Your bank claims, that you have acted grossly negligent and doesn´t refund.

Network with other concerned people at kreditkartendiebe.ning.com.

The first win !
A bank refunded half of the stolen money: "Thanks to your internet support (by E-Mail) I spoke to my bank again and they immediately offered to refund half of the sum, means 550,-- €"

In 2001 my VISA card was stolen and 2100 german marks were withdrawn, entering a "correct" PIN. At that time the bank implyed, that I must have in some form given access to the PIN, otherwise it wouldn´t have been possible, that a "correct" PIN was entered at first try (prima facie evidence).

Later then in 2004 I wanted to disbale the PIN of my new VISA-card, in order to avoid what happened back in 2001. The card issuing bank told me to enter 3 times a wrong PIN. When I entered a wrong PIN, I received 500 €. In total I could withdraw 2200 € with a VISA card entering a wrong PIN !!!

From my point of view the VISA card-system is unsave. And the banks, at least in Germany, transfer the risk to their customers:
If a customer cannot prove, that he hadn´t noted the PIN somewhere, the prima facie evidence applies. Means, if a correct PIN is entered at the first attempt, the thief must have   known the PIN.

If the customer can prove, that ha hadn´t noted the PIN eg. having the closed PIN letter, the bank will refund and avoid to go to court. Smart !

Detailed information of the fraud in 2001, the reaction of the bank, the litigation and the appeal at court you find at VISA 2001. And details to the withdrawals with a wrong PIN are at Wrong PIN (btw: it´s documented on video). Biometrics informs you about todays options with biometrics. And finally there are plenty of Links to media coverages, jurisdiction (in Germany) and experts.

 

June 20, 2005
Credit card data are being stolen from a card service provider in the US. Reportedly this included 200.000 unencrypted records, including PINs.

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The PIN is meant to identify a card holder. Now, it´s only a 4-digit number and you certainly cannot really identify a person by a number. No state would allow somebody to enter, if he wanted to identify with a number. You need an ID with a picture, so the immigration officer can do a "biometrical comparison".

Today biometrics are used for example at US immigration (fingerprint and iris scan), for login at computers (fingerprint) or for payment in shops (fingerprint).

Even though biometrics are so advanced, the unsave "Chip & PIN" system is promoted as save. The risk is being transferred to the customers !

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Copyright (c) 2004 Thomas Opel   last update: Nov 23, 2008